. >> jay carney is like wrestling cats, as they say. they used to want to focus on ed henry. now you have every reporter putting up their hand and you can't say, well, fox, the people at fox. now he's got to play it straight and answer these questions. and the president's going to have trouble shaking his repeated statements about keeping their plan. because the people he wrote were grandfathered into the plan, you can't force an insurance company to continue to insure someone if their math doesn't add up. >> because they squeezed the language in there with obamacare, whereas before they say, you could keep your insurance. no one will have to get out of it. they have to keep you. well, no, there is language in there that says if they even change their co-pay to $5 more, they can drop you. >> they're out. >> that's what's happening. >> a total escape from responsibility here in terms of keeping those that are insured and we're going to maybe hear some answers from kathleen sebelius. who knows? those that are going to question her, four minutes apiece, to three some questions a